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As a UK citizen where is good to go and live a nice life with low tax?
#16
Hmmm ok i'll have a look into it. Thank you Frank.

Is the 10k option the Thai Elite Visa? I'll look at it properly over the next few days. I'm considering other places like Kuala Lumpur and even South America. I need somewhere relatively cheap and want to structure my tax affairs in a legal way but get it down to single percentage figures. I seriously resent the tax and find it hard to build anything of value here without a massive chunk taken out of my arse by the government to pay the interest on loans from criminal banks that took the population of a country and their future tax income as collateral on international loans i never agreed to. But thats another story LOL

My business doesnt require me to do anything hands on the country i live in. all my work is done on western time zones and in western countries, although i could in theory work in any jurisdiction as long as i got my head around local customs and if language was an issue.

Have you heard any horror stories of people getting refused entry back into Thailand after visa runs? Some people ive spoken to have claimed its even quite likely after a few runs you'll just get flatly denied entry back in... Or is this just scaremongering?
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#17
(12-31-2019, 12:02 PM)Reformation1 Wrote: Hmmm ok i'll have a look into it.  Thank you Frank.

Is the 10k option the Thai Elite Visa?  I'll look at it properly over the next few days.  I'm considering other places like Kuala Lumpur and even South America.  I need somewhere relatively cheap and want to structure my tax affairs in a legal way but get it down to single percentage figures.  I seriously resent the tax and find it hard to build anything of value here without a massive chunk taken out of my arse by the government to pay the interest on loans from criminal banks that took the population of a country and their future tax income as collateral on international loans i never agreed to.  But thats another story LOL

My business doesnt require me to do anything hands on the country i live in.  all my work is done on western time zones and in western countries, although i could in theory work in any jurisdiction as long as i got my head around local customs and if language was an issue.

Have you heard any horror stories of people getting refused entry back into Thailand after visa runs?  Some people ive spoken to have claimed its even quite likely after a few runs you'll just get flatly denied entry back in... Or is this just scaremongering?

Yes, that's the Elite Visa. It has quite a few useful perks beyond the obvious residency application.

Kuala Lumpur is fun for a bit. I always enjoy swimming pools on the 30th storey of a high rise.
Many people feel it's a bit dull, but it is organised and some people really love it there. I've often found the older generation Malaysians are particularly friendly to English people.

If you feel resentful about taxes, you might want to look into the Dhimmi premium you will have to pay in Malaysia since you're not a Muslim. That's just how it goes.

I'm not sure but I think in Thailand, you get reduced taxes on earnings from overseas, but don't quote me on that.

To say that it's "quite likely" that you will be refused re-entry on a visa run is bizarre. Maybe if you were a plum and over stayed too much on too many occassions, or you kept trying to re-enter on a tourist visa for a long time, maybe. Even then, things aren't set in stone. Horror stories DO happen, but not very often. I had an overstay once and I was anxious that I might not be re-admitted. I even packed the essential items I needed if I had to stay in Malaysia for a little while. That was weird. However, at the check point, I tactically stood behind a good-looking, big chested blonde Swedish girl in the queue and that put the immigration officials in a good mood... no problems with re-entry.

It sounds like you could do just fine on the Elite visa. A Thai bank account is easy to set up. If you're working online then no official is likely to bother you.
I'd definitely recommend some reconaissaince or slow travel to find what works best for you.
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#18
Oh shit ok, so there a non muslim tax to pay in Malaysia?! Fuck me sideways, why is nothing simple!? LOL

It sounds like the people telling that Thailand is a haorror show are telling me some porkie pies. It's someone i know thats trying to sell me some services and he's dead against Thailand as an option. He is telling me i'll be refused entry etc. Maybe he's talking about doing more than 3 tourist visa runs? But from what you're saying this just isnt true and (within reason) you can stay for many years just doing visa runs?

I still think the elite Visa sounds the best option as it's 5 years, as far as i can tell. And you're not fucking about every 90 days flying somewhere, or stood in 3 hour long queues waiting for some nimrod to stamp something for £200. I'm just not going to cope with that as often as every 30 or 90 days!
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#19
(01-01-2020, 02:57 PM)Reformation1 Wrote: Oh shit ok, so there a non muslim tax to pay in Malaysia?!  Fuck me sideways, why is nothing simple!?  LOL

It sounds like the people telling that Thailand is a haorror show are telling me some porkie pies.  It's someone i know thats trying to sell me some services and he's dead against Thailand as an option.  He is telling me i'll be refused entry etc.  Maybe he's talking about doing more than 3 tourist visa runs?  But from what you're saying this just isnt true and (within reason) you can stay for many years just doing visa runs? 

I still think the elite Visa sounds the best option as it's 5 years, as far as i can tell.  And you're not fucking about every 90 days flying somewhere, or stood in 3 hour long queues waiting for some nimrod to stamp something for £200.  I'm just not going to cope with that as often as every 30 or 90 days!

Thailand is still a great option even though the Thai Baht is very strong now and the overall cost of living is always rising.

Yesterday, a couple of long term expats told me that Vietnam is really on the rise for an alternative location. The overall cost is much lower (my friend said it's still 50p for a pint of beer).

The Elite visa would definitely be the best, based on your requirements, as long as you are sure that Thailand is good for you.
What is your source trying to sell that turns him off Thailand so much?
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#20
(01-02-2020, 02:17 AM)frank Wrote:
(01-01-2020, 02:57 PM)Reformation1 Wrote: Oh shit ok, so there a non muslim tax to pay in Malaysia?!  Fuck me sideways, why is nothing simple!?  LOL

It sounds like the people telling that Thailand is a haorror show are telling me some porkie pies.  It's someone i know thats trying to sell me some services and he's dead against Thailand as an option.  He is telling me i'll be refused entry etc.  Maybe he's talking about doing more than 3 tourist visa runs?  But from what you're saying this just isnt true and (within reason) you can stay for many years just doing visa runs? 

I still think the elite Visa sounds the best option as it's 5 years, as far as i can tell.  And you're not fucking about every 90 days flying somewhere, or stood in 3 hour long queues waiting for some nimrod to stamp something for £200.  I'm just not going to cope with that as often as every 30 or 90 days!

Thailand is still a great option even though the Thai Baht is very strong now and the overall cost of living is always rising.

Yesterday, a couple of long term expats told me that Vietnam is really on the rise for an alternative location. The overall cost is much lower (my friend said it's still 50p for a pint of beer).

The Elite visa would definitely be the best, based on your requirements, as long as you are sure that Thailand is good for you.
What is your source trying to sell that turns him off Thailand so much?

Yes Vietnam popped up on my radar as well, but I hear that's mental as well. Potentially even more so than Thailand, but in the plus side you get left alone and no one is in your face with 500 regulations and snooping on your affairs. 

He is saying that Thailand is an issue with the visa runs and he knows lots of people that were just flat refused entry back in after doing a number of visa runs. He is also very Conservative and thinks Thailand is dirty and too crazy. You think I"M Conservative lol, this guy makes me look like a party animal :-) but as I say, he seems to think Thailand isn't good for tax purposes and that Malaysia is a good option to spend 6 months of the year in and then spend 6 months elsewhere. 

I'm also trying to structure my tax affairs in a legal and compliant way, so I may need multiple location and not spend more than 6 months of the year anywhere. So I'm adding an extra complication into the mix...
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#21
(01-02-2020, 10:04 AM)Reformation1 Wrote:
(01-02-2020, 02:17 AM)frank Wrote:
(01-01-2020, 02:57 PM)Reformation1 Wrote: Oh shit ok, so there a non muslim tax to pay in Malaysia?!  Fuck me sideways, why is nothing simple!?  LOL

It sounds like the people telling that Thailand is a haorror show are telling me some porkie pies.  It's someone i know thats trying to sell me some services and he's dead against Thailand as an option.  He is telling me i'll be refused entry etc.  Maybe he's talking about doing more than 3 tourist visa runs?  But from what you're saying this just isnt true and (within reason) you can stay for many years just doing visa runs? 

I still think the elite Visa sounds the best option as it's 5 years, as far as i can tell.  And you're not fucking about every 90 days flying somewhere, or stood in 3 hour long queues waiting for some nimrod to stamp something for £200.  I'm just not going to cope with that as often as every 30 or 90 days!

Thailand is still a great option even though the Thai Baht is very strong now and the overall cost of living is always rising.

Yesterday, a couple of long term expats told me that Vietnam is really on the rise for an alternative location. The overall cost is much lower (my friend said it's still 50p for a pint of beer).

The Elite visa would definitely be the best, based on your requirements, as long as you are sure that Thailand is good for you.
What is your source trying to sell that turns him off Thailand so much?

Yes Vietnam popped up on my radar as well, but I hear that's mental as well. Potentially even more so than Thailand, but in the plus side you get left alone and no one is in your face with 500 regulations and snooping on your affairs. 

He is saying that Thailand is an issue with the visa runs and he knows lots of people that were just flat refused entry back in after doing a number of visa runs. He is also very Conservative and thinks Thailand is dirty and too crazy. You think I"M Conservative lol, this guy makes me look like a party animal :-) but as I say, he seems to think Thailand isn't good for tax purposes and that Malaysia is a good option to spend 6 months of the year in and then spend 6 months elsewhere. 

I'm also trying to structure my tax affairs in a legal and compliant way, so I may need multiple location and not spend more than 6 months of the year anywhere. So I'm adding an extra complication into the mix...
Keep this thread active with your findings / thoughts.  It's very relevant to me too, and I am sure others will be watching.
I'm beginning to think of non shithead EU countries.  Think Serbia.  I just don't like the idea of being forced to move every 6 months (or 3 months in case of Ukraine) and I don't believe it's good for work productivity either.  Or a stable relationship.
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(01-06-2020, 09:28 AM)SteveJabba Wrote: Keep this thread active with your findings / thoughts.  It's very relevant to me too, and I am sure others will be watching.
I'm beginning to think of non shithead EU countries.  Think Serbia.  I just don't like the idea of being forced to move every 6 months (or 3 months in case of Ukraine) and I don't believe it's good for work productivity either.  Or a stable relationship.


Yes indeed Steve, i'm of a like mind as well.  I have no desire to move every 6 months, or even every year.  It does my head in.  So i'm looking for places i can stay long term and not piss about doing visa runs, or living in 3 places throughout the year. 

Georgia i hear is a good bet on the tax front and is relatively straightforward to get residency in.  But it seems quite boring as well...

I'll keep you informed of my findings as well, if you can do the same i'd be grateful.
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#23
(01-06-2020, 09:42 AM)Reformation1 Wrote:
(01-06-2020, 09:28 AM)SteveJabba Wrote: Keep this thread active with your findings / thoughts.  It's very relevant to me too, and I am sure others will be watching.
I'm beginning to think of non shithead EU countries.  Think Serbia.  I just don't like the idea of being forced to move every 6 months (or 3 months in case of Ukraine) and I don't believe it's good for work productivity either.  Or a stable relationship.


Yes indeed Steve, i'm of a like mind as well.  I have no desire to move every 6 months, or even every year.  It does my head in.  So i'm looking for places i can stay long term and not piss about doing visa runs, or living in 3 places throughout the year. 

Georgia i hear is a good bet on the tax front and is relatively straightforward to get residency in.  But it seems quite boring as well...

I'll keep you informed of my findings as well, if you can do the same i'd be grateful.
I will indeed.  I'll update this thread with thoughts and it will be useful for those who are interested in the "sigma" lifestyle to see some of the headaches involved.
Farking Brexit bullshit!
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#24
Keeping my eyes on it too. Got to reemphasise the importance of testing out everything as location independence is such a subjective thing. What might be a dealbreaker for one person is almost inconsequential for another.
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#25
Its important to consider the double hit you can take on your money - first with corporation tax on your companies profits, and then personal tax on what you take out of your company.

Some places like Poland are a god send to contractors and internet money makers as they have a single flat rate that covers both. Poland is 19%. Being in central Europe - you get the civilization of western Europe minus the extreme stabby africans and explodey mooslims, the women also don't look like stringy monkeys ie asia. Hungary, Estonia and Romania also are worthy of a mention. Pretty easy to get settled status and then you can roam in Europe like we were used to doing prior to brexit

Hard for anywhere else to compete with the EU - as Europe ticks nearly every box and while other places may be better than Europe for weather, women etc - they have big structural drawbacks.
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#26
(01-06-2020, 10:43 AM)frank Wrote: Keeping my eyes on it too. Got to reemphasise the importance of testing out everything as location independence is such a subjective thing. What might be a dealbreaker for one person is almost inconsequential for another.

Great info, Frank.
Thanks a lot!

Do you think it´s possible to enjoy a good lifestyle on 1.5k to 2k USD/month in Thailand?
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(01-08-2020, 04:31 PM)Ayahuasquero_Brasileiro Wrote:
(01-06-2020, 10:43 AM)frank Wrote: Keeping my eyes on it too. Got to reemphasise the importance of testing out everything as location independence is such a subjective thing. What might be a dealbreaker for one person is almost inconsequential for another.

Great info, Frank.
Thanks a lot!

Do you think it´s possible to enjoy a good lifestyle on 1.5k to 2k USD/month in Thailand?

Hey man,
It's a regular topic of discussion amongst ex-pats. The baht is growing stronger every month and some of the old timers on small incomes have left here because it's now so expensive (compared to 15 years ago).

A common opinion for a fun life of modest pleasures on a touristy island in the south of Thailand, is you need about 2000B per day.

Back of napkin numbers: 1000B of that will be living expenses, 1000B will be pocket money.

Of course you can do it for less and you can definitely do it for more, but that's a nice amount. 60000B = $2000 almost exactly right now.

$2000 will get you a really pleasant quality of life and you can eat out a lot at cheap places many, many times per week, and have plenty of good times.

One of the very best things about living here is the number of men with 'red-pill' viewpoints, and they have already achieved financial success at sufficient levels to allow them loads of free time to hang out and talk. I always found the commodity of time to be a rare luxury in other places. People might have more money elsewhere, but they have less free time too.

I have just got back from sitting on a beautiful white sandy beach, at a luxury hotel cafe for an hour and a half. I spent 80B for a good tasting black coffee. It's not especially cheap price, but it has been a glorious morning. I can hear tropical birds singing behind me. I have three friends coming to visit for the weekend and it's easy to find apartments, motorcycles and anything else at a moments notice. This place is built and structured for men who want easy, convenient living.

I still believe that despite its drawbacks and headaches, Thailand still offers the most enjoyable life, pound for pound of any place I have ever lived.
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(01-09-2020, 04:47 AM)frank Wrote:
(01-08-2020, 04:31 PM)Ayahuasquero_Brasileiro Wrote:
(01-06-2020, 10:43 AM)frank Wrote: Keeping my eyes on it too. Got to reemphasise the importance of testing out everything as location independence is such a subjective thing. What might be a dealbreaker for one person is almost inconsequential for another.

Great info, Frank.
Thanks a lot!

Do you think it´s possible to enjoy a good lifestyle on 1.5k to 2k USD/month in Thailand?

Hey man,
It's a regular topic of discussion amongst ex-pats. The baht is growing stronger every month and some of the old timers on small incomes have left here because it's now so expensive (compared to 15 years ago).

A common opinion for a fun life of modest pleasures on a touristy island in the south of Thailand, is you need about 2000B per day.

Back of napkin numbers: 1000B of that will be living expenses, 1000B will be pocket money.

Of course you can do it for less and you can definitely do it for more, but that's a nice amount. 60000B = $2000 almost exactly right now.

$2000 will get you a really pleasant quality of life and you can eat out a lot at cheap places many, many times per week, and have plenty of good times.

One of the very best things about living here is the number of men with 'red-pill' viewpoints, and they have already achieved financial success at sufficient levels to allow them loads of free time to hang out and talk. I always found the commodity of time to be a rare luxury in other places. People might have more money elsewhere, but they have less free time too.

I have just got back from sitting on a beautiful white sandy beach, at a luxury hotel cafe for an hour and a half. I spent 80B for a good tasting black coffee. It's not especially cheap price, but it has been a glorious morning. I can hear tropical birds singing behind me. I have three friends coming to visit for the weekend and it's easy to find apartments, motorcycles and anything else at a moments notice. This place is built and structured for men who want easy, convenient living.

I still believe that despite its drawbacks and headaches, Thailand still offers the most enjoyable life, pound for pound of any place I have ever lived.


I have an Australian buddy who simply loves Thailand.
Actually, everyone I know who´s been there seems to like it as well.

It´s definitely somewhere I have to visit.

What can you say about the women?
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#29
(01-09-2020, 10:59 PM)Ayahuasquero_Brasileiro Wrote:
(01-09-2020, 04:47 AM)frank Wrote:
(01-08-2020, 04:31 PM)Ayahuasquero_Brasileiro Wrote:
(01-06-2020, 10:43 AM)frank Wrote: Keeping my eyes on it too. Got to reemphasise the importance of testing out everything as location independence is such a subjective thing. What might be a dealbreaker for one person is almost inconsequential for another.

Great info, Frank.
Thanks a lot!

Do you think it´s possible to enjoy a good lifestyle on 1.5k to 2k USD/month in Thailand?

Hey man,
It's a regular topic of discussion amongst ex-pats. The baht is growing stronger every month and some of the old timers on small incomes have left here because it's now so expensive (compared to 15 years ago).

A common opinion for a fun life of modest pleasures on a touristy island in the south of Thailand, is you need about 2000B per day.

Back of napkin numbers: 1000B of that will be living expenses, 1000B will be pocket money.

Of course you can do it for less and you can definitely do it for more, but that's a nice amount. 60000B = $2000 almost exactly right now.

$2000 will get you a really pleasant quality of life and you can eat out a lot at cheap places many, many times per week, and have plenty of good times.

One of the very best things about living here is the number of men with 'red-pill' viewpoints, and they have already achieved financial success at sufficient levels to allow them loads of free time to hang out and talk. I always found the commodity of time to be a rare luxury in other places. People might have more money elsewhere, but they have less free time too.

I have just got back from sitting on a beautiful white sandy beach, at a luxury hotel cafe for an hour and a half. I spent 80B for a good tasting black coffee. It's not especially cheap price, but it has been a glorious morning. I can hear tropical birds singing behind me. I have three friends coming to visit for the weekend and it's easy to find apartments, motorcycles and anything else at a moments notice. This place is built and structured for men who want easy, convenient living.

I still believe that despite its drawbacks and headaches, Thailand still offers the most enjoyable life, pound for pound of any place I have ever lived.


I have an Australian buddy who simply loves Thailand.
Actually, everyone I know who´s been there seems to like it as well.

It´s definitely somewhere I have to visit.

What can you say about the women?

Volumes!! Start up a new thread and let's take it over there! ....
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#30
LOL, all right!

Thanks for all the useful info, Frank.

Here´s the thread link:
https://www.stevejabbaforum.com/thread-307.html
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