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Floor Sleeping - The Cure For Insomnia I've Been Looking For?
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You may have heard that I've had sleeping problems basically for as long as I can remember.   I'm one of those people who legit does not need much sleep - no more than 5-6 hours per night...But often I cannot even manage this.  Sometimes it's been 2 or 3 hours...And even I cannot stand that.

I've decided I'm going to dedicate the rest of this year to solving this problem plus the weight loss, fitness, body.  I strongly suspect the FUCKING RIDICULOUS return of anxiety will handle itself naturally in doing this (infact this already seems to be happening).

To this end, I decided to try floor sleeping.  For those who don't know, floor sleeping basically means you sleep on the goddam floor.  Now, I decided to buy a nice blanket (about .25 or .5 inch thick) and the same size as a king size mattress.

I put that on the floor, alongside 1 pillow...And that's it.  For reference I sleep in the front room where it's darkest, on a wooden hard floor.  

I've done this for the past 2 nights and I can honestly say the sleep quality seems better than anything I've had in ages.  Admittedly last night I woke up at 3:30am, then back to sleep again until 6:30am..

But this is great for me.  Usually it's 4:30 am and I cannot sleep again.  And I feel more refreshed.

Now, I sleep in the fetal position - on side, knees towards chest but at different angles.  Arm outstretched under pillow.

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Like this.
 
Eventually I think I'll fuck the pillow off entirely.

Now you may be wondering how is this on the hip, the ankle, the lat where you sleep.  The answer is, it's fine.  The human body is designed to have contact with the ground in specific places as I've just indicated.  Think about what your bed does - spread out those contact points (if you sleep side on like I do).  

Do you think we slept in a giant bed in caveman times?  And did you know a large part of the world (including the Japanese) sleep on a tiny thin mat directly on the floor?

Beds like ours in the west are an anomaly.

Now, I also like sleeping on the floor because I am attracted to the idea of asceticism.  

Asceticism Definition : 

Asceticism (/əˈsɛtɪsɪzəm/; from the Greekἄσκησις áskesis, "exercise, training") is a lifestyle characterized by abstinence from sensual pleasures, often for the purpose of pursuing spiritual goals. Ascetics may withdraw from the world for their practices or continue to be part of their society, but typically adopt a frugal lifestyle, characterised by the renunciation of material possessions and physical pleasures, and time spent fasting while concentrating on the practice of religion or reflection upon spiritual matters.

Now I'm not there.  I am not religious or particularly spiritual, but I do think we are too fucking soft.  Within reasonable limits I want to push myself and introduce difficulties and hardship.  But actually, floor sleeping doesn't appear to be a hardship at all.  

Anything to make you a tougher and more resilient man.  In my opinion there's no reason for a man of 45, 50, 65 to be soft, weak or afraid.  I think by doing these kind of things one can stave off weakness and decay for as long as possible.  

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As I get older I don't want to fade away.  I want to get stronger with each passing year.  I want the remainder of my life to be better than the time which preceded it.


That's my pet philosophy.  I won't mention what idea I have for early next year once the cold fucks off a bit...A lot of you will think I am bat shit crazy.
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#2
Cool thread!
I used to have very tough insomnia issues as well for 10 years. It disappeared almost completely when I stopped smoking (used to be a pack/day).
I have a project to make my room completely dark and to buy glasses that blocks blue light to see if I can improve sleep quality further.
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#3
This past year I have found what dozes me off is gently stoking my toes against the bottom of the sheet, whilst thinking about anything involving numbers and statistics. Very hypnotic and works for me.
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(11-25-2019, 05:23 PM)robocop Wrote: This past year I have found what dozes me off is gently stoking my toes against the bottom of the sheet, whilst thinking about anything involving numbers and statistics. Very hypnotic and works for me.

Can't you just go into sleep mode? Or you still have a human brain keeping you awake?
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#5
Didn't sleep much last night (woke 2-3 times and after 5 couldn't sleep again), but still feel good and full of energy. Went to bed about 11. I think this is good stuff.
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#6
Better night again. I had a lie in until 9 am this morning.
Yesterday I felt great - stable energy levels and no tiredness. I think the combination of new diet and sleeping on the floor is turning things around. I was not anywhere near peak performance and it was really getting out of hand.
Very happy I discovered this.
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#7
I might have to give this a go since a good night's sleep has eluded me in recent years. It's a real f*cking slog to get things done when you're starting your day a fair shade worse than when you tucked in for the night.
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(11-29-2019, 05:59 AM)Maurice Bendrix Wrote: I might have to give this a go since a good night's sleep has eluded me in recent years. It's a real f*cking slog to get things done when you're starting your day a fair shade worse than when you tucked in for the night.

I've had that for years.  People don't understand, they think you are making it up since it's inconceivable to them.

4-5 hours last night.  Whatever.  I was showered, fed, watched 45 minutes on Youtube from last night and hit the gym at 7 am.  It's now 9:15 and I've done the gym, eaten, walked about 4 miles and am off to make some Youtube videos soon.

I think the difference is the quality of sleep.  

When I say I want to be fitter and stronger in my 50s vs 20s, I am not fucking around.
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#9
There was a good year where I didn't get more than 4 hours of sleep a night, but was more like 2. It was such a problem that I spent most of my days thinking about sleep, and the building anxiety made the eventuality of it nearly impossible. I think at one point I kept vodka near my bed with the hopes of drinking myself into submission...

At that time the closest thing to a remedy I found was to intentionally not sleep a whole night with the hopes it would induce sleep the next...what a remedy!!

I attempted the floor last night but half way found my body less than enthused...not nearly the ascetic you are! Not yet at least
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(11-29-2019, 01:48 PM)Maurice Bendrix Wrote: There was a good year where I didn't get more than 4 hours of sleep a night, but was more like 2. It was such a problem that I spent most of my days thinking about sleep, and the building anxiety made the eventuality of it nearly impossible. I think at one point I kept vodka near my bed with the hopes of drinking myself into submission...

At that time the closest thing to a remedy I found was to intentionally not sleep a whole night with the hopes it would induce sleep the next...what a remedy!!

I attempted the floor last night but half way found my body less than enthused...not nearly the aesthetic you are! Not yet at least

I didn't find it that bad initially but there was some bruising which has dissipated now.  I understand the discomfort fades.  From what I have read you are supposed to stick with it.

Only had about 4 hours again last night, real trouble nodding off.  But once again woke up full of energy.  Tongue
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I won't update this thread as regularly going forward.  It seems that not many people are interested. 

I'm so enthusiastic about it because lack of sleep has been such a big problem for me for so long, so naturally I am excited to finally solve it purely from my own research.

I'm floor sleeping from now on for the forseeable future, even in an Airbnb or hotel.  Fuck beds!
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#12
I imagine you (will) keep a bed around for shagging or do you just jab your finger at the floor when she first sees your room?
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(12-01-2019, 06:59 PM)Maurice Bendrix Wrote: I imagine you (will) keep a bed around for shagging or do you just jab your finger at the floor when she first sees your room?

I'd be hard pressed to find living arrangements without a bed.  Obviously I am not going to specifically state I do not want a bed.
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(12-01-2019, 08:30 PM)SteveJabba Wrote:
(12-01-2019, 06:59 PM)Maurice Bendrix Wrote: I imagine you (will) keep a bed around for shagging or do you just jab your finger at the floor when she first sees your room?

I'd be hard pressed to find living arrangements without a bed.  Obviously I am not going to specifically state I do not want a bed.
I have been personally doing it for 3 days now without a pillow , just one by one removing the amount of things I use when sleeping so like pillow atm and than it will be blanket , will let you know how it goes
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