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#16
@Vikhammer you are doing an amazing job, girls are talking to you, it's a really good start. I lived in Denmark almost 2 years and I know how cold and hard Nordic women can be.

Are you going to keep posting about your approaches? I am new to this too and I think we are both over 30. I am thinking to post here my updates too as I start approaching.
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#17
@Kleibniz - thanks for the encouragement. To be fair, these 5 approaches were in a different country.

I did another after-opened a hot Chinese chick at the swimming pool of the hotel I was at. Zero English, but her friend made the effort to translate for me.

Her friend commented that I had a very strong body. I think it was on. But after the pool closed we had to go to our rooms and my watch and phone both ran out of battery to take their number. We planned to meet in the lobby in an hour, but given the non-existing English, I don't think they understood that.

Too bad I had to leave earlier today else I would have closed tonight.

I'm open to posting my approaches here assuming others do too so we all learn together.

PS: 42, but look like 35 and that's what 3 of the 5 girls guessed today as well.
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#18
(01-04-2020, 09:12 AM)Vikhammer Wrote: @Kleibniz - thanks for the encouragement. To be fair, these 5 approaches were in a different country.

I did another after-opened a hot Chinese chick at the swimming pool of the hotel I was at. Zero English, but her friend made the effort to translate for me.

Her friend commented that I had a very strong body. I think it was on. But after the pool closed we had to go to our rooms and my watch and phone both ran out of battery to take their number. We planned to meet in the lobby in an hour, but given the non-existing English, I don't think they understood that.

Too bad I had to leave earlier today else I would have closed tonight.

I'm open to posting my approaches here assuming others do too so we all learn together.

PS: 42, but look like 35 and that's what 3 of the 5 girls guessed today as well.

I am in a small village now but will be in Krakow from next week. I'll be posting my approaches too over here.
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#19
OK so I started my approach journey, but I prefer to start it as a journal so here I am: https://www.stevejabbaforum.com/thread-2...ml#pid1969
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#20
Hi all, coming off a crazy month. Been a busy with lot of travel and work (and somewhat tough one, but also fun). Few highlights:
1. Opened about 10 girls girls from gaming (not any session, just when an opportunity presented while I was doing my thing). Got 4 numbers or FB closes, but then it just died in each of these cases. I think either my hook was not strong enough, or texting is poor.

However, on opening itself- I opened two girls in my trip to middle east. They seemed initially shocked, but I was totally unfazed by their response. After they warmed up a little, I continued chatting and got the number. This feels like one of the best gaming sessions I've ever run. 2 girls, beautiful even imposing I'll say, in their own world, I open and get the number in 7 minutes.

We've exchanged a few messages but I'm wondering how I should run this game.

2. Another 10ish girls from dance or yoga or other group activities - 5 numbers or FB closes from these. Plus a few guys too - running social circle game here.
3. Once went to an organized drinks. Table of 6- 4 girls, another guy and me. Charmed them all, all 5 closed on number or FB.

Now here's where it gets tricky:
1. Gaming: No further date has happened or planned yet. Frustrating
2. Yoga: Of the yoga class girls, one is super into me. I invited her to my place, she came eagerly. I escalated. She commented "you have a very strong body. Really nice to sit on". But when I got her half naked, I didn't like her upper body, and basically put her down. Made an excuse of waiting for my ex to move back here. I also didn't kiss her, as didn't like her breath. That's a big red flag for me.
2b. Now there was another girl from the same class who is quite feisty and I like her. I invited her and a few others from the class for dinner at my place. She came but at 930 pm left for another 'meeting' and basically said she's going to a guy who she saw earlier this week. I think it's a write off, or you think I should call her out on a fun way and see if things move with her as FWB?

2c. Have not made any move in dance class yet. Want to learn and use the 'best practice'.

3. Of the organized drinks, I really like a girl and asked her out. She has gone totally silent since. However there's another girl who is seriously chasing me (messaging, even called me, and if I message her back, she replies within minutes). But, I don't like her.
3c. How do I put her down gently and/or get her to help me reach my real target from this group?

If anyone's willing to help, I'll appreciate a discussion here, or even better, over PM for a deeper chat.

I feel like I'm starting to get some attention/value back, but not from my targets. And I don't want to compromise...

Thoughts?
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#21
FLAKES
You say you are getting a lot of numbers but then you also say a lot of them flake. Are those numbers all from Norwegian women? I haven't had a lot of issues with flakes but I am in Poland. I must say, I have been in Italy this past week and women here do seem more flakey. It could have something to do with me not being much of a novelty in my own country, this could be something to ponder.

GIRLS I SORT OF LIKE SORT OF NOT
I sleep with them. I mean here is the thing, what do you lose? I know we are the prize, abundance mindset, etc., but there is such thing called momentum too. So for me it's easier to game when I have more plates spinning. Unless you have a very strong control of your own emotions and you can act as "The Prize" even without the momentum.

PUTTING DOWN
I ghost them. Is it nice? No. Fair? Well who knows, she'd probably do the same in her case. You can tell them you are not interested. Whatever. I mean my point it's not your problem. I have never had an issue with this one though, so maybe for you it's different.

WRITE OFF
I'd say next her. I mean she even told you she is seeing another guy. I am sure she wants you to game her somehow, but is it worth it? Eventually you choose where to put your focus.
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#22
Thanks.

Flakes: the conversation does go somewhere with non-Norwegians. With Norwegians, it is basically zero or one replies and then dead.
Girls I sort of like: I start comparing them with my most recent ex and these girls are nowhere near. I know the thing about momentum, but also don't want to string these girls that I anyway do not like. I need to either change my thinking, or just let go and make sure it doesn't impact my frame/thinking/behavior when the inevitable dry run will come
Putting down: disagree. I am running social game here and it is a small place - i.e. everyone knows everyone. So I do not want to take chances. How would you put down a girl in social circle? And yet retain the chances of getting her help to game other, more beautiful, girls in the same circle?
Write off: yes. I am 100% sure she wants me to game her somehow. Has been quite flirty and whenever I shit-tested her with some crazy assumption, her reply would be "you don't even know me, how can you say that". Now that itself is a shit test I know, but given her flirting, I think she wants me to game her. Is it worth it? No. Can it lead to a free sex-buddy? Perhaps.
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#23
On putting down, what chances do you mean? As long as you are being honest with them, what else do you think you should be doing?

I am Italian so the idea of pulling a girl who is having sex with another guy is unappealing to me. I know I am being naive here, but it's what it is. I guess as long as your mind stays focused on spinning also other plates it should be ok.

All girls I had so far do not come close to my ex. It sucks. It hurts. It's reality. Again it's me thinking here and I might be off, but you don't know how you really feel about a situation, an experience, until you do it, right? My biggest takeaway of January has been that no matter how much think I know how something will feel, it doesn't matter, somehow reality always beats expectations (up or down).

I sent you a PM too.
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